God literally committed genocide several times according to religious scripture

That was the Canaanite invasion by the Hebrews, the Great Flood, and many more, and religious people are expected to not just believe it was god’s will, but also that it was a positive development. Religion itself is bathed in blood, I’m not here to defend Islam, I’m here to say others are no different. Israelis today quote their own scriptural verses when making clear genocidal statements about Palestinians, that’s utter nonsense to reject here. Philanthropy is established in Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, but they’re still hilariously bloody, because they’re always a mixed bag. That’s why I’m not an apatheist per se, but a strong anti-state religion believer. I am not assuming my own belief of these books by quoting them, I am assuming that these beliefs others hold are true to them, making it their own personally held reality. It’s hypothetical, not personally held. If you believe it, you must defend it, and so too must Canaan, the Flood, and much more. If these are defendable to you, genocide itself is, and that’s a very dangerous situation.

That definition of genocide quite literally fills the description of what is happening. Israel has been obsessed with establishing Jews as a majority, with heavy amounts of investment put into separating districts in a sort of race-gerrymandering fashion, while othering Arab Jews who lived in the region beforehand as “self-hating” Jews for refusing to support expansion of the Israeli state. Don’t ask me for that confirmation, ask the Deputy Mayor of East Jerusalem, Dennis Prager, the majority of their Knesset members, or even their Defense Minister and Prime Minister themselves.

They have that view, Netanyahu has called the Palestinians less than human, Gallant called them “animals”, the rhetoric, dehumanization, separation, policy, engagement, and violence are all there. There’s nothing to be hidden here. Go to East Jerusalem, visit their settlements in the land the PA is… Read more supposedly in charge of. Check the Al-Aqsa mosque, and its history of being attacked during Ramadan by settlers and accosted by Israeli police. Their Knesset leadership consistently calls upon the military to flatten Gaza, to turn it into their own territory with nothing even resembling Palestinians remaining.

Settlers in Gaza have beaten aid truck drivers, thinking they were giving aid to Palestinians, when it was actually for IDF soldiers. They’re that ridiculously conceited, their population is that openly racist. They’re not hiding, just like Zionists didn’t hide the fact that their movement was a colonial movement. The amount of dehumanization is only climbing too. Even before the war, separated and drastically poorer enclaves of Arabs were treated by Israeli Jews as revolting places to silently wish to destroy. Separation is there, it’s real, and it’s open.

They rarely ever punish their own soldiers or leadership for outwardly genocidal statements, they’ve been posting them for years, and even when Hamas hasn’t been an issue, when the PA and Fatah have sided with Israel, they still won’t negotiate with the PA and Fatah. If Hamas disappeared today, they’d find another reason to still invade Rafah, theyve always done it even when Palestinians had used peaceful protest, when they had used their own nonviolent methods of defending themselves. The body committing a genocide cannot be trusted to be a source of information on whether or not they’re doing it, because they’d deny it every time. You don’t ask the people committing it, you ask the people experiencing it and those who are watching it happen, and the answer has consistently been YES from the Palestinians individually and collectively.

They violate the 4th Geneva Convention VERY consistently, they’ve done it at an alarming rate as well, along with 28 binding and internationally required laws and regulations which target basic human rights and anti-colonialist practices. They violated it by assisting in the illegal use of settlements inside of Gaza and the West Bank, by disregarding the rights of Palestinians in their criminal courts which charges minors with a 98% conviction rate, and they ignored the most basic legal requirements for humanitarian aid to the Gaza and West Bank regions.

The IDF doesn’t need to universally wish direct harm upon them, they still commit it nonetheless, their individuals do not on the occasion, but the restive policy of their government has shown little systematic care for the impact they’re having on Gazans. If they cared about casualties and slaughter, they wouldn’t have massacred over 90 doctors, civilians, and children inside the Al-Shifa hospital, they would’ve condemned their own violence and strongly, clearly, and concisely commanded their soldiers to take every measure possible to stop killing, and they would be enforcing it. Instead they commit to policies from the very top of “mowing the grass” in Gaza, even before the war, by bombing indiscriminately to discourage revolt. This is their standard policy, and the only things they ever openly punish are overtly massive calls for genocide form high profile politicians, often with minor punishments and an appeal to the UN that it somehow doesn’t reflect their consistent track record.

I’ve never seen a country that’s defending itself bomb its enemies, who are unable to leave a surrounded city-province, at a rate nearly as high as during the war on Laos. I’ve never seen someone defending themselves go out of their way to slaughter children in an area where their enemies aren’t even around. I’ve never seen a state defending itself by killing over 33 times as many people in one of the most impoverished areas on earth as a response. That’s not defense, that’s a massacre, that’s an atrocity that humanity has failed miserably to condemn. Hamas itself has been compromising more and more to Israel, now dropping a lot of its support for a one-state Palestinian solution, and garnering support for a two-state solution out of sheer desperation. The state of the people of Gaza however is far worse than ever before in their entire history. They have never been more starved, more powerless, and more vulnerable than now, and nothing can ever defend that.

Israel has impoverished the Palestinians, stolen their land, assisted settlers stealing their homes, killed them on an industrial scale, committed deprivation of basic resources, deprived them of a state, destroyed their families, desertified their environment, ruined their desalination plants, violated the 4th Geneva convention at its most basic level, ignored the international community, obliterated all colleges and hospitals in Gaza, pummeled resistance, and forced nonviolent territories to take massive humanitarian costs. This is inexcusable, it is a disgrace to Judaism, it is a violation of all human decency, it is shameful to the planet itself, and it deserves the most severe condemnation in the power of all nations of earth. The fact that Palestinians have not universally despised Jews themselves is a testament to their tolerance, and they have proven they want peace, they lack the guns to prove otherwise, so I ask you, who ACTUALLY wants peace here?

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@Patriot-#1776Constitution from Washington disagreed…12mos12MO

God literally committed genocide several times according to religious scripture ... religion itself is bathed in blood.

Sorry it took so long to respond – didn't see your comment for a while for whatever reason. But don't worry, as always, I can come to the rescue of sanity and debunk you. Thank you for the entertainment.

First of all, the notion that God is some horrible heartless murderer is a pure fabrication. The canonises engaged in horrible practices such as child sacrifice, homosexuality, incest, and were murderous barbarians with a culture and society drenched in corrup… Read moretion and depravity to its core. But even with these horrible sinners, God demonstrated his patience by giving them FOUR HUNDRED YEARS to turn from their wicked ways ... but instead the evils only increased, and there was no effort made to stop these crimes. Everyone in that city was a celebrator of child sacrifice and participated in these murderous and destructive activities, and even after being warned of God's awesome power, they made no effort to repent. So God used the Israelites as His means of punishing them. Yet even then, such Cannanites as Dahab and her family, who left behind the murderousness and evil of their society and turned to God, were spared, proving that these people chose their own fate and brought their destruction upon themselves. In fact, Rahab was even an ancestor of Jesus – proving that God cares about all people, and will even use someone from the race of the enemies of the Jewish for His glory. Again, but for Rahab's family, every member of that society participated in and celebrated murder, thus warranting their judgment. And even if God committed "genocide" who are you to claim it's wrong? Hilariously, you can't account for any moral laws as an atheist, thus making it wholly irrational and stupid to use morality to argue against God's people. You're assuming the principles of Christianity in order to argue against Christianity, without even realising it. That's how irrational atheism is. In fact, your entire anti-Israel argument fails apart also – because it's based on the assumption that what they're doing is wrong. But without God, right and wrong can't exist. Your entire argument is circular and incoherent. The whole thing pretty much falls apart here.

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@9CJ6CB6 from Virginia commented…10mos10MO

Atheism isn’t meant to be a rationalization of what is, it’s a derationalization of what you view to be rational. Philosophy itself is built upon those principles, while atheism is less of a philosophy and more or a non-belief. That would be like saying anti-capitalism can’t create a better economic system, and they’d be right, because it’s an ideology based on disproving one that exists, not one that replaces it.

The Caananites were still murdered in cold blood, and an omnipotent god’s first choice after throwing prophets at the city was to obliterate it.… Read more That’s just inherently not okay, that’d be like america nuking North Korea and citing human rights problems as the reason (despite our record being worse in many respects). I’m accused of a circular argument, and yet you cling to a philosophically unfalsifiable claim of a “virtuous circle”, which can immediately force itself into the category of a pseudo-philosophical argument with a lack of material explanation. Material existence as a whole is excused, not explained nor justified. It’s a bandaid upon an issue with far more inherent complexity than simply an omnipotent deity that suspiciously looks EXACTLY like us. Right and wrong was never objective, every last facet of it requires assumptions, values, desires, and beliefs, which are rationalized via the use of logical thought and material analysis. You use a long list of assumptions in order to prove god’s existence, then focus purely on the logical premise with no material analysis.

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@Patriot-#1776Constitution from Washington commented…10mos10MO

And there you go again, avoiding my argument entirely. You can't even justify the most basic aspects of human existence, morality, and rationality, and yet you still talk as if that's not so embarrassing it delegitimises everything that comes out of your mouth